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		<title>By: Billy Stark's Wig</title>
		<link>http://footballsfootball.com/WeknowSFA/wage-cap-fits-rangers/comment-page-1/#comment-1052</link>
		<dc:creator>Billy Stark's Wig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 11:12:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fair comments Mr Giggidy.

Maybe LBG should be ordering that succulent lamb be put in the pies and blue nose pakoras to bring the fans onside and not a bad word be said or protest be heard no matter how many perceived sins are commited by the bankers.

Did you type your last line with a curtsy and a tug of the forelock? Maaaaaa&#039;aaaaammmmmmm!

Should God also save Pheelip, maybe it was he who had a go at Maurice Edu that night........</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fair comments Mr Giggidy.</p>
<p>Maybe LBG should be ordering that succulent lamb be put in the pies and blue nose pakoras to bring the fans onside and not a bad word be said or protest be heard no matter how many perceived sins are commited by the bankers.</p>
<p>Did you type your last line with a curtsy and a tug of the forelock? Maaaaaa&#8217;aaaaammmmmmm!</p>
<p>Should God also save Pheelip, maybe it was he who had a go at Maurice Edu that night&#8230;&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: Dannybhoy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dannybhoy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 19:08:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If he exists!!!!!!!!!!!BTW if she was our Queen she would be QE1</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If he exists!!!!!!!!!!!BTW if she was our Queen she would be QE1</p>
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		<title>By: Quagmire</title>
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		<dc:creator>Quagmire</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 18:22:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Billy your correct in your assumption that Celtic fans could carry out the same threat to LBG and would be quite entitled to do so, freedom of choice etc.  However any level headed Rangers fan can accept that we are in a position whereby our club as it stands is due our main creditor quite a substantial sum of money, albeit not an uncontrollable level when you consider the security offered, the cost cutting carried out and the recent Champions League money coming into the club. At the end of the season Rangers debt could be at circa £25M with possibly the prospect of further Champions League money to come in (£10-£12M although after bonuses costs etc about £4-5M can be wiped from the debt) and also the prospect of player sales such as Davis, Bougherra, McGregor etc, all of a sudden the debt situation is nowhere near as bad as it is at present.  Bearing in mind that debt is only a probably if you cannot pay it back. Which Rangers are doing at present.

Now the problem is, Rangers FC are stuck in the labyrinth of companies that belong to David Murray, know one knows bar him and the bank, just how serious and how difficult this whole mess is to sort out. That&#039;s the issue that&#039;s annoying the supporters the most, part of this campaign against Muir and LBG is to find out their role in this mess.  If they turn around and say, look we are due £31M or whatever the current figure is and we wont budge until we get it then fine. If Donald Muir would also be as kind to tell us his remit, however bad that maybe to the support, we would at least know where we stand. Does a consortium or buyer exist? Similarly we need to know if Murray is looking for a cash payment for his shareholding.

Your right that fans are fickle, in the 9IAR days we lorded it over Celtic and laughed at the Muggletons and Biggins, when wee Dick came along we took it for granted when we got the abundance of foreign talent such as De Boer, Reyna, Caniggia, Amato and dare I say it Flo!  Thing was we were always assured by the Charlatan that is Murray, that we were a strong robust organisation that needn&#039;t bother about finance as he would be the man to fix it, how wrong we all were!

Your also wrong about the support not voicing concerns about Murray and his running of the club, problem is that we were all shot down in flames by his lickspittles in the media who dined on the succulent lamb and red wine. One of the biggest crimes in this whole sorry mess if that the Scottish Media have been absent without leave when it comes to Murray and his control of the club, even now there is no one writing about him and his reckless ways.  We always hear about how much money he has spent, he spent £6M in a=acquiring the club and the rest has come from borrowing and investment from ENIC and King and the fans who pour millions into the club.

Some clarity is all that we ask.

And God Save Your Gracious Queen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Billy your correct in your assumption that Celtic fans could carry out the same threat to LBG and would be quite entitled to do so, freedom of choice etc.  However any level headed Rangers fan can accept that we are in a position whereby our club as it stands is due our main creditor quite a substantial sum of money, albeit not an uncontrollable level when you consider the security offered, the cost cutting carried out and the recent Champions League money coming into the club. At the end of the season Rangers debt could be at circa £25M with possibly the prospect of further Champions League money to come in (£10-£12M although after bonuses costs etc about £4-5M can be wiped from the debt) and also the prospect of player sales such as Davis, Bougherra, McGregor etc, all of a sudden the debt situation is nowhere near as bad as it is at present.  Bearing in mind that debt is only a probably if you cannot pay it back. Which Rangers are doing at present.</p>
<p>Now the problem is, Rangers FC are stuck in the labyrinth of companies that belong to David Murray, know one knows bar him and the bank, just how serious and how difficult this whole mess is to sort out. That&#8217;s the issue that&#8217;s annoying the supporters the most, part of this campaign against Muir and LBG is to find out their role in this mess.  If they turn around and say, look we are due £31M or whatever the current figure is and we wont budge until we get it then fine. If Donald Muir would also be as kind to tell us his remit, however bad that maybe to the support, we would at least know where we stand. Does a consortium or buyer exist? Similarly we need to know if Murray is looking for a cash payment for his shareholding.</p>
<p>Your right that fans are fickle, in the 9IAR days we lorded it over Celtic and laughed at the Muggletons and Biggins, when wee Dick came along we took it for granted when we got the abundance of foreign talent such as De Boer, Reyna, Caniggia, Amato and dare I say it Flo!  Thing was we were always assured by the Charlatan that is Murray, that we were a strong robust organisation that needn&#8217;t bother about finance as he would be the man to fix it, how wrong we all were!</p>
<p>Your also wrong about the support not voicing concerns about Murray and his running of the club, problem is that we were all shot down in flames by his lickspittles in the media who dined on the succulent lamb and red wine. One of the biggest crimes in this whole sorry mess if that the Scottish Media have been absent without leave when it comes to Murray and his control of the club, even now there is no one writing about him and his reckless ways.  We always hear about how much money he has spent, he spent £6M in a=acquiring the club and the rest has come from borrowing and investment from ENIC and King and the fans who pour millions into the club.</p>
<p>Some clarity is all that we ask.</p>
<p>And God Save Your Gracious Queen.</p>
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		<title>By: Dannybhoy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dannybhoy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 14:15:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Now Now Billy thats a good Catholic Christian woman .</description>
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		<title>By: Billy Stark's Wig</title>
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		<dc:creator>Billy Stark's Wig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 12:46:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, that wee work-shy auld wummin who so many of you worship and kowtow down to, being the mere &#039;subjects&#039; that you are. Maaaaaaaaaaaaaa&#039;aaaaaaaaaaaaammmm!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, that wee work-shy auld wummin who so many of you worship and kowtow down to, being the mere &#8216;subjects&#8217; that you are. Maaaaaaaaaaaaaa&#8217;aaaaaaaaaaaaammmm!</p>
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		<title>By: jazrfc</title>
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		<dc:creator>jazrfc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 19:49:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>the queen ?</description>
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		<title>By: Dannybhoy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dannybhoy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 12:54:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I dont know what they are worried about theres nothing to worry about the Queen will bail them out !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!</description>
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		<title>By: Billy Stark's Wig</title>
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		<dc:creator>Billy Stark's Wig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 11:53:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What if Celtic fans counteracted the perceived &#039;threats&#039; by threatening to close down their accounts if LBG are believed to have shown Rangers any favourable treatment?

The sheer arrogance of some of these supporters groups shows no bounds. When Rangers were throwing money around like confetti no one was whistling any slightly cautionary tunes. As long as they reigned supreme over &#039;them&#039; then who cared. Now the chickens have come home to roost and the bank is quite rightly chasing their money in the midst of these tough times. Now a few threats come out. What makes Rangers so different (in a business sense) from Woolworths for instance? LBG is a multi-national financial institute. What makes anyone seriously think a few hundred or thousand accounts being closed in the West of Scotland or Ulster is going to bother some smart-suited billionaire executive in New York or Sydney? 

Forget all about this finding a buyer nonsense as Rangers have been for sale for arouns 3-4 years and no-one on a white charger has shown up with the necessary readies.. Why is that?

One thing I agree with you on Quagmire is there ARE more questions than answers. However, half-baked petulant threats to LBG isn&#039;t the way to get the answers. I only wish Celtic could get it together on the park, and quick, to kick a dying horse when he is down and struggling.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What if Celtic fans counteracted the perceived &#8216;threats&#8217; by threatening to close down their accounts if LBG are believed to have shown Rangers any favourable treatment?</p>
<p>The sheer arrogance of some of these supporters groups shows no bounds. When Rangers were throwing money around like confetti no one was whistling any slightly cautionary tunes. As long as they reigned supreme over &#8216;them&#8217; then who cared. Now the chickens have come home to roost and the bank is quite rightly chasing their money in the midst of these tough times. Now a few threats come out. What makes Rangers so different (in a business sense) from Woolworths for instance? LBG is a multi-national financial institute. What makes anyone seriously think a few hundred or thousand accounts being closed in the West of Scotland or Ulster is going to bother some smart-suited billionaire executive in New York or Sydney? </p>
<p>Forget all about this finding a buyer nonsense as Rangers have been for sale for arouns 3-4 years and no-one on a white charger has shown up with the necessary readies.. Why is that?</p>
<p>One thing I agree with you on Quagmire is there ARE more questions than answers. However, half-baked petulant threats to LBG isn&#8217;t the way to get the answers. I only wish Celtic could get it together on the park, and quick, to kick a dying horse when he is down and struggling.</p>
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		<title>By: dannybhoy</title>
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		<dc:creator>dannybhoy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Feb 2010 18:08:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am 100% certain Rangers fans closing bank accounts @ lloyds wont worry them one jot .</description>
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		<title>By: Quagmire</title>
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		<dc:creator>Quagmire</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Feb 2010 11:24:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Danny, that&#039;s one of the things the fans want to know about Murray. Does he retain the right to sell his majority shareholding, or are they now the property of the bank and be exchanged for paying off the debt?  Let&#039;s get the cards on the table, come clean and let the fans see the absolute state of the club, our murky connection with the MIH group is strangling us as a football club.

As for the bank, don&#039;t be so sure about that Danny, one or two closing accounts hardly creates a ripple, should the combined supporters groups get together and call for a complete boycott of all LBG products which include the Bank Of Scotland brand and the Lloyds TSB as well as Halifax mortgages, the men in power will not like that one bit.

As I&#039;ve said before though, this pressure that&#039;s mounting will see the bank come and state their position and sooner than we think to be honest.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Danny, that&#8217;s one of the things the fans want to know about Murray. Does he retain the right to sell his majority shareholding, or are they now the property of the bank and be exchanged for paying off the debt?  Let&#8217;s get the cards on the table, come clean and let the fans see the absolute state of the club, our murky connection with the MIH group is strangling us as a football club.</p>
<p>As for the bank, don&#8217;t be so sure about that Danny, one or two closing accounts hardly creates a ripple, should the combined supporters groups get together and call for a complete boycott of all LBG products which include the Bank Of Scotland brand and the Lloyds TSB as well as Halifax mortgages, the men in power will not like that one bit.</p>
<p>As I&#8217;ve said before though, this pressure that&#8217;s mounting will see the bank come and state their position and sooner than we think to be honest.</p>
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